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Humpday Question of the Week

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Humpday Question of the Week

From: Nathan Brown (Cyclonic07@aol.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 03:53:59 UTC-04:00
Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
comment on the question of the week. So, without further adieu, here it is:

At what moment, do you think, this list turned into the newboxer's
list? When did people find discussion so lacking that they need a
question of the week? When did the list become so wimpy that folks go
running to the moderators when they feel a topic is even the slightest
bit offensive? When did logic get thrown out the window in favor of
emotion?

So, what are your thoughts?

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes


RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: AC (cshouse@optonline.net) | Date: 2009-07-29 07:54:57 UTC-04:00
I log on and off the big list based on what's going on in my life. I decided
to log back on and found that nothing much was happening. yes, the list was
lacking. lacking traffic. lacking content. After an interesting discussion
with a fellow boxer I decided to post the same question to the list. THE
list that is supposed to be for everyone. No local boxers, not newbie
boxers, not veteran boxers, just boxers.



.Don't know anything about people running to the moderators or logic vs
emotion. All I know is, I like asking and hearing the answers to the
question of the week. You don't like it, feel free to delete it. It's as
simple as that.



So THAT being said it is again Wednesday and here it 'tis the much awaited
for Humpday Question of the Week:



Do you attend letterboxing events? What has been your favorite letterboxing
event to date?



Sincerely,

Talking Turtle

Not a New Boxer, not a wimpy boxer, although sometimes logical and sometimes
emotional boxer, but mostly just a boxer.



From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
comment on the question of the week.



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Re: Humpday Question of the Week

From: Rachel (prazehm878@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 12:04:04 UTC
Ah, a real question! I guess they're not all redundant!

I am new to letterboxing, so I have not yet attended an event. If I ever do, I am sure it will have to be only a close one. I am not a very social person, and going to an event where I don't know anyone would be a bit uncomfortable for me.

Rachel/prazehm878

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, AC wrote:
>
> I log on and off the big list based on what's going on in my life. I decided
> to log back on and found that nothing much was happening. yes, the list was
> lacking. lacking traffic. lacking content. After an interesting discussion
> with a fellow boxer I decided to post the same question to the list. THE
> list that is supposed to be for everyone. No local boxers, not newbie
> boxers, not veteran boxers, just boxers.
>
>
>
> .Don't know anything about people running to the moderators or logic vs
> emotion. All I know is, I like asking and hearing the answers to the
> question of the week. You don't like it, feel free to delete it. It's as
> simple as that.
>
>
>
> So THAT being said it is again Wednesday and here it 'tis the much awaited
> for Humpday Question of the Week:
>
>
>
> Do you attend letterboxing events? What has been your favorite letterboxing
> event to date?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Talking Turtle
>
> Not a New Boxer, not a wimpy boxer, although sometimes logical and sometimes
> emotional boxer, but mostly just a boxer.
>
>
>
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
> Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> comment on the question of the week.
>
>
>
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RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: rifamily (RIFamily@cox.net) | Date: 2009-07-29 08:36:35 UTC-04:00
I'd love to attend more boxing events and plan to. So far we have only been
to two, a local one, and the biggie We Live and Breathe. I feel so grateful
that our schedule enabled us to be in Oregon at the right time. I was
beyond magical.

RIFamily


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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 13:13:43 UTC
So are we having two questions of the week now? Brian TeamGreenDragon
> So THAT being said it is again Wednesday and here it 'tis the much awaited
> for Humpday Question of the Week:
>
>
>
> Do you attend letterboxing events? What has been your favorite letterboxing
> event to date?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Talking Turtle
>
> Not a New Boxer, not a wimpy boxer, although sometimes logical and sometimes
> emotional boxer, but mostly just a boxer.
>
>
>
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
> Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> comment on the question of the week.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________
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RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Ed Bindler (ed@bluarcher.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 10:14:48 UTC-04:00
I have been to a couple events and love them, except I tend to spend too
much time exchanging and not enough time boxing!

I guess my favorite event was my first at "Fall is Here 2007".

I'm hoping that the one I am going to this weekend "Summer is HERE!:
Hudson Valley" will be the best one to date...

HikerGuyEd


Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: (ButterflyPR@comcast.net) | Date: 2009-07-29 15:43:42 UTC
Me too!  Especially hoping that the weather cooperates this weekend!


I've been to a few events over the past two years, and I've enjoyed all of them for different reasons.  Sometimes when I'm with my daughter I end up worrying about her and don't get to do things that I would have liked to do otherwise.  So I REALLY enjoyed Tune In/Toon Out this year, since I went with a friend instead :-)  But my daughter is coming this weekend, and I know we'll have an awesome time!


Kit Kat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Bindler"
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:14:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

 




I have been to a couple events and love them, except I tend to spend too
much time exchanging and not enough time boxing!

I guess my favorite event was my first at "Fall is Here 2007".

I'm hoping that the one I am going to this weekend "Summer is HERE!:
Hudson Valley" will be the best one to date...

HikerGuyEd




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Re: Humpday Question of the Week

From: mizscarlet731 (mizscarlet731@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 17:27:03 UTC
--The big list, why do I still read it? Well I like the fact it's boxers from all over not just my cozy little corner of the Mid-Atlantic. Over the years I've met quite a few and it's nice to see their name on a post and feel connected.
I have to admit I do enjoy the occasional flame. I've been flamed a few times. Once as a newbie and really got my feelings hurt. Now I don't take it personally.
I also despise the AQ lists(sorry Ryan) . Too clunky to navigate for me, way too many of them and most not really related to Letterboxing.
So there, that's my 2 cents.
OT, Nathan have you read Malcolm Gladwell's book, Blink. You might want to get rid of your tag line about women and eye rolling. I think I'll leave it there and see what kind of responses I get.

- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown wrote:
>
> Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> comment on the question of the week. So, without further adieu, here it is:
>
> At what moment, do you think, this list turned into the newboxer's
> list? When did people find discussion so lacking that they need a
> question of the week? When did the list become so wimpy that folks go
> running to the moderators when they feel a topic is even the slightest
> bit offensive? When did logic get thrown out the window in favor of
> emotion?
>
> So, what are your thoughts?
>
> --
> Nathan Brown
>
> AKA Cyclonic
> Penncoasters.com
>
> The Insensitivity rolls on...
>
> Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes
>



Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: mizscarlet731 (mizscarlet731@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 17:33:01 UTC

Hikers and Hounds annual event at Tyler State park. Why? Low key, I know most of the people who attend so I only have to do a few exchanges, I love winter boxing and best of all the overnight with the RHLBers in the hostile hostel.
>
> Do you attend letterboxing events? What has been your favorite letterboxing
> event to date?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Talking Turtle
>
> Not a New Boxer, not a wimpy boxer, although sometimes logical and sometimes
> emotional boxer, but mostly just a boxer.
>
>
>
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
> Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> comment on the question of the week.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Humpday Question of the Week

From: Debbie Kotlarek (kotlarek@wi.rr.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 14:04:36 UTC-05:00
Hi Miz Scarlet & Cyclonic! Glad to see there are still others on this list.
I don't care if there is a ToTW (Topic of the Week), we still have them
occasionally on our regional board whenever the whim strikes someone.
Individuals answer if they feel like adding to the conversation, and ignore
if it doesn't interest them.



I had to laugh about your comment on the AQ lists! I tend to agree and
prefer the Yahoo groups. It's too bad some of them have withered away. The
funny thing is, the feeling is mutual. The Big Green Turtle recently posted
on his blog that he "absolutely loathed the Yahoo Groups" (JUN 24).



Wisconsin Hiker



_____

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mizscarlet731
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:27 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Humpday Question of the Week





--The big list, why do I still read it? Well I like the fact it's boxers
from all over not just my cozy little corner of the Mid-Atlantic. Over the
years I've met quite a few and it's nice to see their name on a post and
feel connected.
I have to admit I do enjoy the occasional flame. I've been flamed a few
times. Once as a newbie and really got my feelings hurt. Now I don't take it
personally.
I also despise the AQ lists(sorry Ryan) . Too clunky to navigate for me, way
too many of them and most not really related to Letterboxing.
So there, that's my 2 cents.
OT, Nathan have you read Malcolm Gladwell's book, Blink. You might want to
get rid of your tag line about women and eye rolling. I think I'll leave it
there and see what kind of responses I get.

- In letterbox-usa@
yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown wrote:
>
> Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> comment on the question of the week. So, without further adieu, here it
is:
>
> At what moment, do you think, this list turned into the newboxer's
> list? When did people find discussion so lacking that they need a
> question of the week? When did the list become so wimpy that folks go
> running to the moderators when they feel a topic is even the slightest
> bit offensive? When did logic get thrown out the window in favor of
> emotion?
>
> So, what are your thoughts?
>
> --
> Nathan Brown
>
> AKA Cyclonic
> Penncoasters.com
>
> The Insensitivity rolls on...
>
> Behind every great man is a great woman rolling her eyes
>





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Re: [LbNA] Re: Humpday Question of the Week

From: Otis' Friends (otisfriends@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 12:19:37 UTC-07:00
The Atlas Quest boards are manageable, provided that one uses the "ignore" function liberally.

The structure of them isn't the best I've seen, but then, neither is the structure of the Yahoo! boards.

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, mizscarlet731 wrote:

From: mizscarlet731
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Humpday Question of the Week
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 1:27 PM














I also despise the AQ lists(sorry Ryan) . Too clunky to navigate for me, way too many of them and most not really related to Letterboxing.






















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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 15:05:14 UTC-07:00
Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one behind the curtain. =)

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Brian, Ryan & Lori wrote:

From: Brian, Ryan & Lori
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 9:13 AM

So are we having two questions of the week now? Brian TeamGreenDragon
> So THAT being said it is again Wednesday and here it 'tis the much awaited
> for Humpday Question of the Week:
>
>
>
> Do you attend letterboxing events? What has been your favorite letterboxing
> event to date?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Talking Turtle
>
> Not a New Boxer, not a wimpy boxer, although sometimes logical and sometimes
> emotional boxer, but mostly just a boxer.
>
>
>
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
> Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> comment on the question of the week.
>






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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 04:01:53 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Coe wrote:
>
> Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one behind the curtain. =)
>

I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having some trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to gatherings?" or are we going to have controversial questions asked?
Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to exist? The newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you ask me, considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people to get their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to participate in the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has the the general population just excepted that one person making a profit off of our game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and will become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because that person is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of found boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very thing? Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become acceptable? Why do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at a gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily print out a list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT clue should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT clue.) again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game. I think it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we found and fell in love with.

Evil Glen was right!

Brian
TeamGreenDragon



Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Elizabeth Thompson (zorket@gmail.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 00:25:32 UTC-04:00
...speaking of PT's...I have oh, so many questions. Thought I had been
playing this game long enough - but maybe not.I was reading something just
the other night, where the boxer was upset because someone gave out their PT
"too easily".
I have one PT that you can just ask for, and one that you have to figure
something out. I made it knowing full well that not a lot of people would
"get it". And I'm fine with that - so if somebody makes a concerted effort,
but can't solve it - I'm apt to give it anyway.
I know there are boxers that absolutely won't give out their PT until you do
the correct thing. I'm happy with that, too.

I'm just curious - if you have a PT - are you a stickler for the absolute?
Or more apt to be with the "free love" society??
I'm kind of curious to see where most boxers land.

zorket

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Brian, Ryan & Lori <
teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> Suzanne Coe wrote:
> >
> > Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one behind
> the curtain. =)
> >
>
> I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having some
> trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to gatherings?" or are
> we going to have controversial questions asked?
> Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to exist? The
> newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you ask me,
> considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people to get
> their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to participate in
> the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has the the
> general population just excepted that one person making a profit off of our
> game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and will
> become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because that person
> is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of found
> boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very thing?
> Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become acceptable? Why
> do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at a
> gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily print out a
> list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT clue
> should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT clue.)
> again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game. I think
> it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we found and
> fell in love with.
>
> Evil Glen was right!
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>
>
>
>


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RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Debbie Kotlarek (kotlarek@wi.rr.com) | Date: 2009-07-29 23:52:44 UTC-05:00
Amazing! We just came back from a little letterboxing get-together (which I
organized, but did NOT list on AQ) and a few of us were discussing many of
these very same things. I am just one person, but am trying to keep (or get
back) some of what we initially liked about letterboxing. One of my
particular pet peeves is how the word "letterbox" has become so diluted in
meaning. Many now use it to refer to any rubberstamping activity.



Thanks for bringing some of the real issues to the forefront.



Wisconsin Hiker



P.S. My question of the week is: Who is/was Evil Glen?



_____

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Brian, Ryan & Lori
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:02 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week





--- In letterbox-usa@
yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Coe wrote:
>
> Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one behind the
curtain. =)
>

I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having some
trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to gatherings?" or are
we going to have controversial questions asked?
Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to exist? The
newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you ask me,
considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people to get
their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to participate in
the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has the the
general population just excepted that one person making a profit off of our
game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and will
become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because that person
is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of found
boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very thing?
Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become acceptable? Why
do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at a
gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily print out a
list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT clue
should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT clue.)
again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game. I think
it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we found and
fell in love with.

Evil Glen was right!

Brian
TeamGreenDragon







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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: mizscarlet731 (mizscarlet731@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 10:45:44 UTC
I think this one of Briann's points. The idea fof the PT has become diluted. It seem s everyone had 2 or 3. But it's your PT you can do what ever you want with it. Yes, there will always be the letterbox police who want you to do it their way, but so what.
I ,frankly was kinda tired of the whole PT thing, it's just another stamp. Yes sometimes really great art work. But I'm such a hypocrit, I have a fairly new PT, Box Slut. But most people don't really seem to get it(, no Brian I don't want sex in the woods.) The clue asks you to give something up. I'm trying to be a little more picky about what that something is, but I'm a box slut so I give it up anyway. I just can't help myself.
>
> ...speaking of PT's...I have oh, so many questions. Thought I had been
> playing this game long enough - but maybe not.I was reading something just
> the other night, where the boxer was upset because someone gave out their PT
> "too easily".
> I have one PT that you can just ask for, and one that you have to figure
> something out. I made it knowing full well that not a lot of people would
> "get it". And I'm fine with that - so if somebody makes a concerted effort,
> but can't solve it - I'm apt to give it anyway.
> I know there are boxers that absolutely won't give out their PT until you do
> the correct thing. I'm happy with that, too.
>
> I'm just curious - if you have a PT - are you a stickler for the absolute?
> Or more apt to be with the "free love" society??
> I'm kind of curious to see where most boxers land.
>
> zorket
>



Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: mizscarlet731 (mizscarlet731@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 10:57:42 UTC
--A little devil's advocate here, as an event planner it is nice to know about how many people are going to show up. 4 or 40 , how many bags of chips do I need? I know someone who went across the county to a gather where the only other person was the host. The event stuff is the one feature of AQ I like. It just seems like there are way too many now. Yes, I have been part of some gathers posted, just dinner get togethers. But it is kinda hard to wade though them all now. I look for the event planners name now so I can figure out where it is and just who might be in attendance.


>
> Amazing! We just came back from a little letterboxing get-together (which I
> organized, but did NOT list on AQ) and a few of us were discussing many of
> these very same things. I am just one person, but am trying to keep (or get
> back) some of what we initially liked about letterboxing. One of my
> particular pet peeves is how the word "letterbox" has become so diluted in
> meaning. Many now use it to refer to any rubberstamping activity.
>
>
> T


Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: (ButterflyPR@comcast.net) | Date: 2009-07-30 12:35:07 UTC
I think other boxers' PTs are their choice whether to clue or "just ask"!  If they want to clue them but then just give them out, that's up to them, too.  Though if I'd spent a lot of time solving something, I could see feeling a bit peeved if it was just handed to the next person....  My PTs are clued, but I'm willing to give hints to anyone who is interested!


Kit Kat
in CT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Thompson"
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:25:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

 




...speaking of PT's...I have oh, so many questions. Thought I had been
playing this game long enough - but maybe not.I was reading something just
the other night, where the boxer was upset because someone gave out their PT
"too easily".
I have one PT that you can just ask for, and one that you have to figure
something out. I made it knowing full well that not a lot of people would
"get it". And I'm fine with that - so if somebody makes a concerted effort,
but can't solve it - I'm apt to give it anyway.
I know there are boxers that absolutely won't give out their PT until you do
the correct thing. I'm happy with that, too.

I'm just curious - if you have a PT - are you a stickler for the absolute?
Or more apt to be with the "free love" society??
I'm kind of curious to see where most boxers land.

zorket

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Brian, Ryan & Lori <
teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> Suzanne Coe wrote:
> >
> > Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one behind
> the curtain. =)
> >
>
> I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having some
> trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to gatherings?" or are
> we going to have controversial questions asked?
> Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to exist? The
> newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you ask me,
> considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people to get
> their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to participate in
> the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has the the
> general population just excepted that one person making a profit off of our
> game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and will
> become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because that person
> is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of found
> boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very thing?
> Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become acceptable? Why
> do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at a
> gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily print out a
> list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT clue
> should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT clue.)
> again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game. I think
> it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we found and
> fell in love with.
>
> Evil Glen was right!
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>
>
>
>

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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: sewsowbizzy (sowbiz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 16:08:44 UTC
Maybe we have moved on from dromedary (one hump) to the Bactrian camel (two humps)which are much less common and found generally only on the Big List.

ssb

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori" wrote:
>
> So are we having two questions of the week now? Brian TeamGreenDragon
> > So THAT being said it is again Wednesday and here it 'tis the much awaited
> > for Humpday Question of the Week:
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you attend letterboxing events? What has been your favorite letterboxing
> > event to date?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Talking Turtle
> >
> > Not a New Boxer, not a wimpy boxer, although sometimes logical and sometimes
> > emotional boxer, but mostly just a boxer.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
> > Here it is, the moment you have all been waiting for, the chance to
> > comment on the question of the week.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________
> > No viruses found in this outgoing message
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> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>



Re: Humpday Question of the Week

From: sewsowbizzy (sowbiz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 16:22:11 UTC
I know you weren't referring to me %^) BUT, I have two 'guess if you
can' PTs. One has a limit of 3 trys per day -- just to make it less
annoying for me %^0 The other doesn't and when folks sitting in a group
just call out (I won't say shout) answers, I'm inclined to just say no
to each one. Although I might sidle up to them later and give them the
stamp. Slack boxing on PTs just isn't right and should be left behind.

so so bipolar when it comes to LB'ng personalities

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Thompson
wrote:
>
> ...speaking of PT's...I have oh, so many questions. Thought I had
been
> playing this game long enough - but maybe not.I was reading something
just
> the other night, where the boxer was upset because someone gave out
their PT
> "too easily".
> I have one PT that you can just ask for, and one that you have to
figure
> something out. I made it knowing full well that not a lot of people
would
> "get it". And I'm fine with that - so if somebody makes a concerted
effort,
> but can't solve it - I'm apt to give it anyway.
> I know there are boxers that absolutely won't give out their PT until
you do
> the correct thing. I'm happy with that, too.
>
> I'm just curious - if you have a PT - are you a stickler for the
absolute?
> Or more apt to be with the "free love" society??
> I'm kind of curious to see where most boxers land.
>
> zorket
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Brian, Ryan & Lori <
> teamgreendragon2003@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
,
> > Suzanne Coe wilmcoe@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one
behind
> > the curtain. =)
> > >
> >
> > I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having
some
> > trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to
gatherings?" or are
> > we going to have controversial questions asked?
> > Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to
exist? The
> > newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you
ask me,
> > considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people
to get
> > their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to
participate in
> > the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has
the the
> > general population just excepted that one person making a profit off
of our
> > game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and
will
> > become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because
that person
> > is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of
found
> > boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very
thing?
> > Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become
acceptable? Why
> > do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at
a
> > gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily
print out a
> > list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT
clue
> > should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT
clue.)
> > again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game.
I think
> > it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we
found and
> > fell in love with.
> >
> > Evil Glen was right!
> >
> > Brian
> > TeamGreenDragon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: sewsowbizzy (sowbiz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 16:23:30 UTC
Private LB Events!! OMG I didn't get an invite!!!

ssb

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Kotlarek" wrote:
>
> Amazing! We just came back from a little letterboxing get-together (which I
> organized, but did NOT list on AQ) and a few of us were discussing many of
> these very same things. I am just one person, but am trying to keep (or get
> back) some of what we initially liked about letterboxing. One of my
> particular pet peeves is how the word "letterbox" has become so diluted in
> meaning. Many now use it to refer to any rubberstamping activity.
>
>
>
> Thanks for bringing some of the real issues to the forefront.
>
>
>
> Wisconsin Hiker
>
>
>
> P.S. My question of the week is: Who is/was Evil Glen?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Brian, Ryan & Lori
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:02 PM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@
> yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Coe wrote:
> >
> > Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one behind the
> curtain. =)
> >
>
> I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having some
> trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to gatherings?" or are
> we going to have controversial questions asked?
> Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to exist? The
> newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you ask me,
> considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people to get
> their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to participate in
> the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has the the
> general population just excepted that one person making a profit off of our
> game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and will
> become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because that person
> is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of found
> boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very thing?
> Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become acceptable? Why
> do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at a
> gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily print out a
> list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT clue
> should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT clue.)
> again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game. I think
> it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we found and
> fell in love with.
>
> Evil Glen was right!
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



Re: Humpday Question of the Week

From: Elizabeth (zorket@gmail.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 16:50:12 UTC
Dearest SSB - you are not the only letterboxer in the sea that adheres to the "stickler" rules!! And I take it on as a challenge...'till we meet again!! And I will have three more guesses ready...

Personally, I enjoy the stamps (of any type/box) more when I have to work to get them.

It's what the game's all about, isn't it? If we wanted them handed to us on a platter....there's always AC Moore...

;)

zorket


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "sewsowbizzy" wrote:
>
> I know you weren't referring to me %^) BUT, I have two 'guess if you
> can' PTs. One has a limit of 3 trys per day -- just to make it less
> annoying for me %^0 The other doesn't and when folks sitting in a group
> just call out (I won't say shout) answers, I'm inclined to just say no
> to each one. Although I might sidle up to them later and give them the
> stamp. Slack boxing on PTs just isn't right and should be left behind.
>
> so so bipolar when it comes to LB'ng personalities
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Thompson
> wrote:
> >
> > ...speaking of PT's...I have oh, so many questions. Thought I had
> been
> > playing this game long enough - but maybe not.I was reading something
> just
> > the other night, where the boxer was upset because someone gave out
> their PT
> > "too easily".
> > I have one PT that you can just ask for, and one that you have to
> figure
> > something out. I made it knowing full well that not a lot of people
> would
> > "get it". And I'm fine with that - so if somebody makes a concerted
> effort,
> > but can't solve it - I'm apt to give it anyway.
> > I know there are boxers that absolutely won't give out their PT until
> you do
> > the correct thing. I'm happy with that, too.
> >
> > I'm just curious - if you have a PT - are you a stickler for the
> absolute?
> > Or more apt to be with the "free love" society??
> > I'm kind of curious to see where most boxers land.
> >
> > zorket
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Brian, Ryan & Lori <
> > teamgreendragon2003@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > > Suzanne Coe wilmcoe@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and you can keep those two questions, or trade for the one
> behind
> > > the curtain. =)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having
> some
> > > trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to
> gatherings?" or are
> > > we going to have controversial questions asked?
> > > Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to
> exist? The
> > > newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you
> ask me,
> > > considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people
> to get
> > > their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to
> participate in
> > > the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has
> the the
> > > general population just excepted that one person making a profit off
> of our
> > > game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and
> will
> > > become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because
> that person
> > > is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of
> found
> > > boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very
> thing?
> > > Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become
> acceptable? Why
> > > do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at
> a
> > > gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily
> print out a
> > > list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT
> clue
> > > should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT
> clue.)
> > > again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game.
> I think
> > > it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we
> found and
> > > fell in love with.
> > >
> > > Evil Glen was right!
> > >
> > > Brian
> > > TeamGreenDragon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2009-07-30 17:37:04 UTC
> >
>
> I guess my real question is are we going to all go along with having some trivial question of the week like "do you enjoy going to gatherings?" or are we going to have controversial questions asked?
> Like Nathan did, What is the future/reason for this list even to exist? The newboxers list now has more members than this one. Kinda sad if you ask me, considering the reasoning behind the Newboxer's list was for people to get their feet wet before leaving there and coming over here to participate in the grown up conversations. I'd like to ask questions like: Why has the the general population just excepted that one person making a profit off of our game been allowed to decide the future of what letterboxing is and will become? (I know this isn't really fair to ask right now, because that person is on vacation in Spain at the moment). Why did online logging of found boxes become the norm after so many fought so hard against this very thing? Why did the public displaying of other peoples work become acceptable? Why do people feel the need to know who they might or might not meet at a gathering they are going to attend? Should you be able to easily print out a list of PT's that will be at a gathering,(I always thought that a PT clue should need to be be figured out before even knowing it was a PT clue.) again, it just seems to take away from the whole spirit of the game. I think it is time for some of us to stand up and take back the game we found and fell in love with.
>
> Evil Glen was right!
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>

Not all Letterboxes are for everyones consumption and the same can be said for Letterboxing sites.

If you don't like Atlas Quest then don't use it.
(That also means don't use alter egos to toss in nasty comments on the boards which is very much like tossing a handgrenade and leaving the room)

You can use part of Atlas Quest and you can block the stuff you do not like.

I do not like, cooties, PTs, dumpster boxes, Letterbox Trading Cards,on line logging,on line comments from finders and many other things that have popped into this game, but I don't have to participate in these aspects of what others consider part of the game.

Gatherings? Large ones we dislike, but small unorganized get to gethers are great. We participate with the ones we like.

I mentioned in an earlier post how this list has dwindled down as compared to the Newboxer list. While I too think that is sad, it may have more to do with the acidic tone rather than real content. I think the 'grown up' discussions many times result in 'juvenile' nastiness.

The Newboxer list has helped in removing some of the tired questions such as "What is a Hitch Hiker?" for the 34th time, and with the newboxer receiving friendlier responses I think it is quite natural that the newboxer would continue at that chatlist.

Making profits from Letterboxing???
There are several examples I could use, but here is a couple.....

Letterbox Home Companion, probably not a large section of Randy's portfolio but never-the-less there is a potential profit motive and certainly a direction in what he would consider an explanation of the game.

There are numerous Pub boxes in Dartmoor that are used at a magnet for customers, and most of those have a history that outdates our own history of letterboxing on this side of the pond.

Ryan's efforts in creating "his" idea of a letterboxing site is not so foreign to many new boxers, but if one fails to use a part or piece of Atlas Quest in atleast searching for clues then they are only reducing the potential for finds.

I do not believe that it is possible to put the genie back into the bottle and pop the cork back on, so the best bet is to use what you want and disregard the stuff you don't want.

Don


Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Otis' Friends (otisfriends@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 11:48:07 UTC-07:00
Or not at all. {Sniff}

Oh, excuse me. I thought you were talking about Lower Slower Swagger.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, sewsowbizzy wrote:

From: sewsowbizzy
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:08 PM












Maybe we have moved on from dromedary (one hump) to the Bactrian camel (two humps)which are much less common and found generally only on the Big List.



ssb




















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RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Debbie Kotlarek (kotlarek@wi.rr.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 14:17:39 UTC-05:00
LOL! It wasn't private, just wasn't mentioned on AQ. A group of 16 local
boxers who still look at our regional board met with 2 visiting letterboxers
from Oregon. It was easy to post the info, find out how many would be there
and then contact the pub/restaurant who graciously set up an area for us and
allowed separate checks.



Wisconsin Hiker



_____

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of sewsowbizzy
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:24 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week





Private LB Events!! OMG I didn't get an invite!!!

ssb

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RE: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: AC (cshouse@optonline.net) | Date: 2009-07-30 18:13:58 UTC-04:00
Dumpster boxes?

>I do not like, cooties, PTs, dumpster boxes, Letterbox Trading Cards.



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Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2009-07-30 23:24:53 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, AC wrote:
>
> Dumpster boxes?

I use the term fairly liberally. I think of those boxes placed without much thought, effort,and particularly those that are placed just to have "one" out there. Lacking anything exceptional in location, clues,stamp,hike, or any other redeeming factor. (Yes I realize this sounds like just another snobbish comment)

Many (not all) could be covered under the "Plant a Letterbox Day" and most would be a driveby.

Don




Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: sewsowbizzy (sowbiz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 23:52:17 UTC
Ah! Separate checks. My kinda place.

ssb
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Kotlarek" wrote:
>
> LOL! It wasn't private, just wasn't mentioned on AQ. A group of 16 local
> boxers who still look at our regional board met with 2 visiting letterboxers
> from Oregon. It was easy to post the info, find out how many would be there
> and then contact the pub/restaurant who graciously set up an area for us and
> allowed separate checks.
>
>
>
> Wisconsin Hiker
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of sewsowbizzy
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week
>
>
>
>
>
> Private LB Events!! OMG I didn't get an invite!!!
>
> ssb
>
> _._,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: sewsowbizzy (sowbiz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-30 23:59:59 UTC
So are we dumpster diving and not letterboxing at this point??

ssb

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo" wrote:
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, AC wrote:
> >
> > Dumpster boxes?
>
> I use the term fairly liberally. I think of those boxes placed without much thought, effort,and particularly those that are placed just to have "one" out there. Lacking anything exceptional in location, clues,stamp,hike, or any other redeeming factor. (Yes I realize this sounds like just another snobbish comment)
>
> Many (not all) could be covered under the "Plant a Letterbox Day" and most would be a driveby.
>
> Don
>



Re: [LbNA] Humpday Question of the Week

From: Lightnin Bug (rpboehme@yahoo.com) | Date: 2009-07-31 00:08:08 UTC
Usually dumpster boxes are planted in the little patch of overgrown ick that tends to be behind many a dumpster.

LB


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo" wrote:
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, AC wrote:
> >
> > Dumpster boxes?
>
> I use the term fairly liberally. I think of those boxes placed without much thought, effort,and particularly those that are placed just to have "one" out there. Lacking anything exceptional in location, clues,stamp,hike, or any other redeeming factor. (Yes I realize this sounds like just another snobbish comment)
>
> Many (not all) could be covered under the "Plant a Letterbox Day" and most would be a driveby.
>
> Don
>